Man shot dead by police on London Tube
[BBC] - A man has been shot dead by armed U.K. police officers in an incident at London's Stockwell Tube station. Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers" with a handgun. "I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he is dead," he said.
Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'! I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers. One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him." [Latest]
WagNews: Dan Copeland, another eyewitness has just told BBC television that the man who was shot was not carrying a bag.
posted by FintanDunne
at 11:29 am
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I heard an eye-witness account on Sky News saying man pursued was wearing a blue fleece, jeans and baseball cap. I didn't hear Mark Whitby the most quoted eye-witness mention a heavy black coat. no-one saw any kind of bag.
Yet only eye-witness statements on the web I can find now are all mentioning heavy black coat, unsuitable for this time of year.
Anybody else notice a problem with their internet server over the last hour or so? (it's 2.45pm now).
Sounds like an execution. Why was he shot? 20 police officers with guns should be able to just arrest him, or at least shoot him in his legs or something. Of course they are afraid too, but some cool reason must be expected from professionals. And if he was carrying explosives it must have been very dangerous to shoot him? And how could they know he couldn't be an important witness?
Are they trying to provoke some people to get really desperate in order to solve the case? How many innocent lives will that cost?
Also this recalls the story about someone shot on the morning of the first bombings.
i was watching the cricket on the teeve at Lords at the same time - it was about 18 degrees or so. a jacket wouldnt be unreasonable
bus bomber #2 is on an empty bus according to the cctv pic they released
same as it ever was...?
are the group that shot a man dead in the London Underground
related to those shadowy units who set up and let the Omagh bombing happen?
the same groups that shot innocents and used far-right paramilitary loyalists
to do their dirty work
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Terror squad marksmen get shoot-to-kill orders
Police are preparing specific shoot-to-kill orders to combat suicide bombers.
Marksmen will be told to aim for the head rather than the body. This is
because a shot to the head causes the muscles to go limp and could prevent
the bomber detonating his device. Shooting at the chest could set off an
explosives-packed vest.
It is part of a pre-planned response to suicide bombers drafted last year
which is named Operation Kratos and draws on Israeli experience
http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/WorldNF.asp?ArticleID=173220
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Olympian gods :
The brothers KRATOS and ZELOS and the sisters NIKE and BIA were the
personifications of Strength and Rivalry, Victory and Force. These four
winged gods stood beside the throne of Zeus.
KratoV - Bia Bih - ZhloV = Strength Force / Violence Emulation / Rivalry
- theoi.com
http://www.theoi.com/Ouranos/Kratos.html
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New Special Forces Regiment for the British Army
Published Tuesday 5th April 2005
The SRR cap badge consists of a Corinthian helmet placed in front of a Special
Forces sword with a scroll underneath depicting the word reconnaissance
This reflects the SAS and SBS cap badges in design, ensuring conformity
within the UK Special Forces Group. The Corinthian style helmet, favoured by
the ancient Greeks, was used from the early 7th to the 4th centuries BC. The
helmet is facing forwards and suggests the viewer is being watched, while the
wearer behind the mask is anonymous.
On 5 April 2005 the Secretary of State for Defence, Geoff Hoon MP, announced
the creation of a new "Special Reconnaissance Regiment", which has been
formed to meet a growing worldwide need for special reconnaissance
capability.
In a written statement to Parliament, Mr Hoon declared the &apsSpecial
Reconnaissance Regiment&aps (SRR) will be operational from April 6th 2005.
Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon said:
"The creation of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment demonstrates our
commitment to shaping our Armed Forces to meet the ongoing challenge of
tackling international terrorism. The new Regiment will help to meet the
growing need for special reconnaissance capability."
The new Regiment has been formed to meet a growing worldwide demand for
special reconnaissance capability - as announced in the Strategic Defence
Review New Chapter in July 2004.
The Regiment will ensure improved support to international expeditionary
operations at a time when it is most needed in the ongoing fight against
international terrorism. Special reconnaissance covers a wide range of
specialist skills and activities related to covert surveillance.
The SRR will draw personnel from existing capabilities and recruit new
volunteers from serving members of the Armed Forces where necessary. Due to
the specialist nature of the unit it will come under the command of Director
Special Forces and be a part of the UK Special Forces group.
In a Written Ministerial Statement to the House of Commons, Mr Hoon said:
"The Strategic Defence Review (SDR) New Chapter published in July 2002 stated
that we planned to enhance and build upon the capabilities of UK Special
Forces. As part of this programme, the &apsSpecial Reconnaissance
Regiment&aps (SRR) will stand up on April 6 2005. This regiment has been formed
to meet a growing worldwide demand for special reconnaissance capability.
Consistent with the SDR New Chapter, this regiment will provide improved
support to expeditionary operations overseas and form part of the Defence
contribution to the Government&apss comprehensive strategy to counter
international terrorism. The SRR will bring together personnel from existing
capabilities and become the means of the further development of the
capability. Due to the specialist nature of the unit, it will come under the
command of the Director Special Forces and be a part of the UK Special Forces group."
http://news.mod.uk/news_headline_story.asp?newsItem_id=3210
Delivering Security in a Changing World: Defence Command Paper 2004
http://www.mod.uk/issues/security/cm6269/index.html
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Force Research Unit (FRU)
synonyms: Force Reaction Unit (FRU)
Force Research Unit (FRU) was a special unit of Military (Army) Intelligence
that was probably set up during 1979. FRU was a highly secret unit which
sought to identify and recruit members of Republican and Loyalist
paramilitary groups who could be persuaded to work as double agents on behalf
of Military Intelligence. The existence of FRU only became public when Brian
Nelson, then a British Army agent and an Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
intelligence officer, pleaded guilty on 22 January 1992 to conspiracy to
murder. This plea prevented any cross-examination of Nelson. Nelson was
believed to have been involved in at least 15 killings, 15 attempted
killings, and 62 conspiracies to kill, during the two years that he was
handled by FRU (Taylor, 2001; p.294). Republicans claimed that FRU was one of
the agencies that had been involved in collusion with Loyalist
paramilitaries. -
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/organ/forgan.htm
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FRU were remnants of the DET [14th intelligence]
"The mind-set was one of the right people would be allowed to live and the
wrong people should die&aps." Nelson was later jailed for his terrorist crimes
and was subsequently released. He is currently in hiding in Germany. At least
two other Scottish FRU soldiers and a Scots RUC officer were also Nelson&apss
handlers.
According to the FRU source, there was an unbroken chain of command running
from the handlers, to Kerr, then through to the military top brass in Ulster,
on to the Ministry of Defence Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of State for
Northern Ireland and finally the Prime Minister. At the time of Finucanes
death George Younger was Secretary of State for Defence, Tom King was Ulster
Secretary, Thatcher was Prime Minister and General Sir John Waters was the
general officer commanding in Northern Ireland.
"It is rubbish to suggest that we were mavericks," the FRU source said.
"What was happening may have been occurring outside the law but the
establishment knew what was happening." Kerr was known for his "gung-ho"
aggressive style of executing the war against terrorism. Kerr learned the
ropes of counter-insurgency as a member of 14th Intelligence. Also known as
the Det, this SAS-run unit, was, until the creation of the FRU, Ulsters main
counter-intelligence squad. He was a senior instructor with the Special Intelligence Wing between 1985-1986 and then moved to Ulster as FRU chief.
"He had no moral qualms about anything that we were up to," the FRU source said.
"And he knew of every decision taken by his men.
"At the time I had no qualms either. We saw what was happening as a war and we
were going to fight fire with fire. Kerr had one policy; in his own words it
was: "You go in, and you go in heavy. Raise the temperature on the ground to
boiling point and then reduce it fast. That means you hurt your enemy so hard
that you reduce the risk of casualties on your side. Then you step back
quickly. That means the enemy is constantly in a state of terror and panic.
Its an old SAS tactic."
- Neil Mackay
http://www.relativesforjustice.com/publications/fru.htm
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14 Intelligence Company
synonyms: 14 Intelligence and Security Company (14 ISC); 14 Int. and Sy; Det
14 Intelligence Company was a special unit of the British Army. The unit was
formed in 1973 (?) and its role was to provide surveillance in parts of Northern Ireland where regular British Army and police units had difficulty operating. Its members were known as &apsoperators&aps who were drawn from a number of intelligence agencies and the Special Air Service (SAS). 14 Intelligence
Company operations were based on &apsDetachments&aps (&apsDet&aps) to each of the British Army& three Brigades in Northern Ireland. -
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/organ/forgan.htm
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"One of the Army&apss most secret intelligence gathering organisations has been deployed on Britain&apss streets in an attempt to prevent further attacks. The
newly-created Special Reconnaissance Regiment will work closely with MI5. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/17/wturk17.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/17/ixnewstop.html
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"The Special Reconnaissance Regiment, or SRR, will provide specialist support
for overseas operations, particularly those against international terrorism."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4412907.stm
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BLITZ ON THE BRITS: TOP TEAM JOIN HUNT
Jul 17 2005
A NEW top secret special forces unit is hunting the mastermind behind the
London bombings.
It is the first major task given the Special Reconnaissance Regiment since it
was formed three months ago from what used to be 14 Intelligence Company, a
shadowy organisation which spied on IRA terrorists.
The SRR&apss highly-trained operatives will work closely with MI5 to establish
who the bombers associated with and where they were recruited into al-Qaeda.
It will be part of a long-term probe designed to smash any other networks
operating in Britain and prevent future attacks.
Last night an Army source said: "The regiment has been given a number of minor
tasks in Iraq where they have been working with the SAS but this is its first
major challenge."
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15745289&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=blitz-on-the-brits--top-team-join-hunt--name_page.html
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the mirror is stating that the special unit is from 14th Intelligence
but this is deliberate muddying of the waters...
they became the FRU
so what we are seeing on the London streets
and elsewhere for all we know
is the same that the people of Northern ireland
have had to put up with for all these years
love from cw
It has just struck me who this guy might have been...
Might he not have been one of the patsies from one of the two earlier bombings who escaped at the time, and had been in hiding since then?
Obviously the police would have to execute him to prevent his story coming out, and that would explain the running away and hunted look.
A suicide bomber doesn't run from police, he takes them with him....
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