Sunday, July 10, 2005

Daily Kos Outs Itself as Controlled Media

by Fintan Dunne, Editor
10th July, 2005

Well this is a red letter day. Here I was wondering for months how I could get across to the more trusting readers and listeners that much of the 'left wing' alternative media is as carefully controlled as the mainstream.... when, lo and behold, bastion of liberal values DailyKos -go and do the job for me THEMSELVES!

Kos has just outed himself as controlled media:
"Today I did something I've never done before (not even during the Fraudster mess), and wish I'd never had to do.

"I made a mass banning of people perpetuating a series of bizarre, off-the-wall, unsupported and frankly embarassing conspiracy theories.

"I have a high tolerance level for material I deem appropriate for this site, but one thing I REFUSE to allow is bullshit conspiracy theories. You know the ones -- Bush and Blair conspired to bomb London in order to take the heat off their respective political problems. I can't imagine what fucking world these people live in, but it sure ain't the Reality Based Community.

"So I banned these people, and those that have been recommending diaries like it. And I will continue to do so until the purge is complete, and make no mistake -- this is a purge. [Source]
Well... How's that for a development!

There was quite a reaction [which caused Kos to reinstate some of those banned].

As one Kos member commented:
How is any of this thinking delusional? What's delusional is the unhinged acceptance that the crap we're being as "reality". For Khrist's sake Kos, has the fact that these clowns went to war with Iraq (at a loss so far of over 8000 American soldier and well over 100,000 innocent Iraqis) under the guise of a shitstorm of lies been lost on you?

You think that these assholes are too civilized to attack their own allies, just to keep them in the game? The entire "al Qaeda" myth is textbook yellow journalism but you insist that we all close our eyes to that possibility? Whatever Kos, whatever. It's your ball, take it and go home if that's how the game has to be played.
Even more to the point was this comment:
It's funny that KOS is endorsing official conspiracy theories (no evidence to backup any of their claims), but gets angry at people who try to investigate and ask questions. Maybe KOS is a military-trained shill to lead the opposition? Jeff Gannon type poison pill for democrats. What do you think about this conspiracy?
Finally, how's this for a comment:
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Methinks the NWO know how thin is the ice they are now treading over.

I wonder if this "purge" will afflict other seemingly "left wing" internet forums. Eh?
[See similar trouble at Democratic Underground]

And I am sure you are wondering..... how deep does the rabbit hole go on all this?

How much real media have we got? How much is fake?

Those are good questions.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is probably a false alarm.

The "dropped" posters are being re-instated by KOS upon request.

I still believe in KOS and feel his heart is true (if a bit bugged lately).

Still, I personally don't happen to think a Bush/Blair bomb plot
is entirely
impossible (though unlikely, IMO).

But as Peggy Noonan has said:

"It's irresponsible NOT to speculate".

I just think KOS overreacted, that's all.

10:25 pm  
Blogger FintanDunne said...

I don't think so. I think it is/was a trial balloon. To see how much reaction there would be.

As Kos said:

"I am reinstating those who ask to be reinstated.
But the message has been sent."

So this was about sending a message.

The reinstatements are backpedalling due to the outrage the move generated.

Such as:

Who decides which conspiracy theories are acceptable?

The American people were lied to repeatedly in order to go to war against Iraq. Conspiracy theory? Nope, fact.

The growth of paperless voting machines along with partisan election maneuvering has made recent election results highly dubious. Fact.

I dunno. There was a bunch of other legitimate "conspiracy theories" that a guy listed in a diary yesterday that were in actuality highly debatable/likely with many elements of truth and people falling on both sides. But I can't find the diary anymore because it has been deleted.

or such as:

Do you have a shred of edvidence that Al Qaeda orchestrated the attack in London? Do we have any proof the Osama Bin Asshole orchestrated the 911 attacks? NO!

We have all chosen to believe our governments account of the events, because to think otherwise would be too difficult to comprehend. And why shouldn't we believe our government? It's not like they are the most corrupt administration since the dawn of the republic who have lied to us every fucking step of the way.

I think it's a real shame when Kos feels the need to ban people for not thinking in LOCK-STEP with the party line.

That kind of outrage is definitely encouraging.

Nice try, guys. Shame about the backlash.

Let me send a message also.

A message to these information controllers: Your days are numbered.

The game is up.

11:41 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I will be definitely avoiding that blog from now on. Even if Kos is not working for 'them,' I have little tolerance for people who can't think outside the box. They are wasting everybody's time.

1:13 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make no excuses. Kos has shown his hand as a gatekeeper. Intentional or over-programmed makes no dif.

1:27 am  
Blogger Dr. Gottlieb said...

There's a good new piece by Jeff Wells on Kos and so forth...

1:54 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And I am sure you are wondering..... how deep does the rabbit hole go on all this?"


That was my comment 10 days ago about Fintan and BFN regarding that silly WTC photo faking story which is still on the main page. I've written to Fintan twice over this and posted several times (most recently here)
Who Is Blowing Smoke
I even listed where anyone interested can easily find video that collaborates the photo of the toppling South Tower top, from different angles and multiple sources.
Probably the most accessible source is 13mins 53secs into Eric Hufschmid's video titled "A Closer Look" available for free download here
Download link
25 mins and 16 secs into Dylan Avery's video "Loose Change" shows this scene from a different angle. This video is available for free download using Bittorrent.
38mins and 30 secs into Jimmy Walter's video "Confronting the Evidence" available at you also see the first couple of seconds of the South Tower collapse.
1hr and 24mins into Alex Jone's "Martial Law" also shows the toppling South Tower.

The point being the video and photographic evidence completely demolish the pancake collapse fairy-tale.

So why would "Truth" radio be so interested pushing disinfo' on this issue?

Although Fintan has never responded to any of this, I notice after my comment regarding the New Age code phrase "Push me onto the next level" in the MP3 intro music, it has disappeared and hasn't been heard since on any new shows. Just a coincidence I'm sure.

Anyway just keep in mind that we live in a era of sophisticated marketing strategies and even propaganda is targeted to niche markets. The gate keepers cover the whole spectrum from Chomsky to Vialls, Ruppert to Icke.

That is not to say you won't find a lot of valuable information here and there, in spite of all the disinfo' and misdirection. The problem as individuals we don't possess the time or resources to filter out the truth from the crap. And as I've posted a few days ago End of Surbia the "truth" seems to be the coming crunch, exponential growth rates applied to finite resources. Again I highly recommend viewing a lecture by Dr. Albert A. Bartlett, titled "Arithmetic, Population & Energy" available for download at
rtsp:// Then go look up some info on current growth rates in energy consumption and you will certainly see the current situation in a new light!

I wonder if the gate keepers have been offered right of abode in the "New Age" after the crunch is over or are they just on a salary and oblivious that they're about to be flushed away along with the other surplus 95% on the planet.

There is an alternative but that would take a major re-education of everyone on the planet especially those in government and the ministry of truth agencies, but under the current rule of global corporatism, that will never happen.

The ice isn't thin, its more than 101 miles slick! As the crunch approaches though, it will eventually become undeniably obvious that something is seriously wrong and there aren't enough life boats. Perhaps that is why the Biometric RFIDs are so important. Perhaps its to avoid total annarchy and enabled an orderly depopulation through some phantom SARS like desease with IBM like precision.

9:02 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the sheeple wake up and see that there are groups in control of the US beyond the Red and the Blue will be too late. People like Kos help in dumbing down and distracting the people from the Democrats Bombing of Iraq, its sanctions and the deaths of many children in the middleast..and as Madelyn Albright regrets. This is not what America stands for and NEVER is what they have been distracted to believe is necessary. WAKE UP TO THESE BLUE BLOGGERS..Democrat+Republican=Corporate America..We need return to real Democracy not a decoy of it.

12:38 pm  
Blogger William O said...

end of suburbia, thou protesteth too much. Anyone with a sense of proportion can see that the tower-toppling photos were faked. You discredit yourself and do the rest of us a disservice by quibbling over such minor details and even more so by attempting to impugn Fintan's integrity. I actually agree with 70% of what you say, but please, do get over yourself already.

3:25 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm totally amazed that anyone ever thought that KOS was anything but a total middle of the road big D democrat. Maybe you haven't heard him talk about himself on the Majority Report or other venues, but this guy says he grew up in El Salvador and because of the death squads he wanted to join the U.S. Military - HUH? run that one past me again. I don't know if he's a shill or not, but he's definitely an emotional basketcase and has no stomach for real reality in his "reality-based community". The great thing about KOS is the Kosmonauts, or whatever the members call themselves. I don't know where to draw the line between establishment lackey and NWO operative, or if there's even any point in doing so as they amount to the same thing. Anyway, it doesn't take any great conceptual leap to realize that the KOS is just another partisan hack, (I'm a left-wing nut myself by the way). He may deserve some cred for raising money for slightly left of center politicos, or for trying to drive the talking points to the left, or even for calling the right wing fascist retards on their BS, but at the end of the day our man KOS is just another preening, self-serving blogger out to further HIS agenda, whatever that may really be.

7:02 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

William O,

You really should check out my video references and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Not only does the top of the South tower topple over, way off its centre of gravity. Just after it disappears into the rising dust plume, it literally explodes into large pieces that fly out from the cloud. It is pretty obvious that explosives are being used. Now if you look at almost every piece of footage from the news channels you'll find they all show a collarge of edits which manage avoid showing the moment the top section explodes. However there is at least one edit where the critical moment has not been edited out. You see this view in Loose Change and also in the 2002 BBC Horizon documentary - The WTC Collapse, The Full Story.

Of course this may seem like I'm giving Fintan a hard time over this but if this really is Truth Radio by Internet then it seems interesting that he does not address this obvious mistake.

11:15 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know why Kos became so spineless... because all those rightwing broads had been recently assaulting the left in their columns and using DU and Kos as an example. Michelle Malkin, Noonan, Ingrahme, and Coulter have all cherry picked postings off Kos as of late that has caused Kos to overcompensate on defending himself and his site by stating the obvious...that Kos was an open forum unlike almost all rightwing sites. This f-up on Kos's part was a result of this.

4:19 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

William O,

End of Suburbia is bang on. The listed video references clearly show the tilt (and a slight counter clockwise twist). The video matches up with what I taped on 9/11, so I have no reason to doubt it.

The Photo Fakery article/audio is just plain wrong, and muddies the water. The real question is that how could the "pancake theory" even instigate so evenly all around the south tower, when the momentum of the building was clearly going to the south west?

If I were Fintan, I'd take a look at more video (and step through it), to confirm the tilt, then post a big correction. It's erroneous to say the least.

The mark of a good researcher is to pull a mea culpa when they mess up.

8:05 pm  

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